Posts by Jon Preston

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JW. org: "No, we are not a cult. We do not look to any human as our leader."

by Faithful Witness in

i know this has been rehashed, time and again, but i saw this interesting blip on jw.org last night, and did a little thinking about it.... jw.

org answers the important question that so many have... are jehovah's witnesses a cult?.

jehovah's witnesses do not look to any human as their leader.

Jon Preston

Where is Witness My Fury?!?! Ok well ill go ahead and quote him/her anyways

"Let's review: IT'S A CULT!!! "

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I need to help to counter JW misinformation!

by Island Man in

in this yahoo answers quesiton jw apologists are trying to give the impression that the watchtower never published any information about parents fondling the genitals of their infants leading to masturbation later on.

the jw apologists claims vary from saying it's not true to accusing the questioner and one ex-jw answerer of not having proof and being untrustworthy with the truth.. i want to provide proof to the contrary but the online library doesn't go have magaizes as far back as 1973 when the article was published.

i think that the best proof would be a screenshot of the watchtower library open to the article with the statement highlighted.

Jon Preston

Mothers and fathers who stroke kids genitals are pedophiles....

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Interesting article on Biblical accuracy

by Jon Preston in

appearance of camels in genesis called sign of authors' distance from history.biblical scholars have long been aware many of the stories and accounts in the sacred book were not written by eyewitnesses, and according to new research, further evidence of that historical distance has appeared in the form of a hump-backed camel.. new research using radioactive-carbon dating techniques shows the animals weren't domesticated until hundreds of years after the events documented in the book of genesis.the research was published by erez ben-yosef and lidar sapir-hen, archaeologists from tel aviv university in israel.

they believe camels were not domesticated in the eastern mediterranean until the 10th century b.c.. and yet, the hump-backed creatures are mentioned repeatedly alongside abraham, jacob and isaac, indicating the bible's writers and editors were portraying what they saw in their present as how things looked in the past, says a new york times article by john noble wilford:.

these anachronisms are telling evidence that the bible was written or edited long after the events it narrates and is not always reliable as verifiable history.

Jon Preston

All good points. Ill have to do some further research on it

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Interesting article on Biblical accuracy

by Jon Preston in

appearance of camels in genesis called sign of authors' distance from history.biblical scholars have long been aware many of the stories and accounts in the sacred book were not written by eyewitnesses, and according to new research, further evidence of that historical distance has appeared in the form of a hump-backed camel.. new research using radioactive-carbon dating techniques shows the animals weren't domesticated until hundreds of years after the events documented in the book of genesis.the research was published by erez ben-yosef and lidar sapir-hen, archaeologists from tel aviv university in israel.

they believe camels were not domesticated in the eastern mediterranean until the 10th century b.c.. and yet, the hump-backed creatures are mentioned repeatedly alongside abraham, jacob and isaac, indicating the bible's writers and editors were portraying what they saw in their present as how things looked in the past, says a new york times article by john noble wilford:.

these anachronisms are telling evidence that the bible was written or edited long after the events it narrates and is not always reliable as verifiable history.

Jon Preston

Appearance of camels in Genesis called sign of authors' distance from history

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Biblical scholars have long been aware many of the stories and accounts in the sacred book were not written by eyewitnesses, and according to new research, further evidence of that historical distance has appeared in the form of a hump-backed camel.

New research using radioactive-carbon dating techniques shows the animals weren't domesticated until hundreds of years after the events documented in the Book of Genesis.The research was published by Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen, archaeologists from Tel Aviv University in Israel. They believe camels were not domesticated in the eastern Mediterranean until the 10th century B.C.

And yet, the hump-backed creatures are mentioned repeatedly alongside Abraham, Jacob and Isaac, indicating the Bible's writers and editors were portraying what they saw in their present as how things looked in the past, says a New York Times article by John Noble Wilford:

These anachronisms are telling evidence that the Bible was written or edited long after the events it narrates and is not always reliable as verifiable history. These camel stories "do not encapsulate memories from the second millennium," said Noam Mizrahi, an Israeli biblical scholar, "but should be viewed as back-projections from a much later period."

Via National Geographic:

While there are conflicting theories about when the Bible was composed, the recent research suggests it was written much later than the events it describes. This supports earlier studies that have challenged the Bible's veracity as a historic document.

The biblical angle wasn't the focus of the recent research, though, just an after-the-fact observation.

The question over "phantom camels" is not new one, according to TIME magazine. Biblical scholar William Foxwell Albright "argued in the mid-1900s that camels were an anachronism."

In an opinion piece for CNN, Joel Baden writes that there was no deception intended on the part of the Bible's authors.

"Biblical authors," Baden writes, "simply transplanted the nomadic standards of their time into the distant past. There is nothing deceptive about this. They weren’t trying to trick anyone. They imagined, quite reasonably, that the past was, fundamentally, like their present."

A similar conclusion was reached by Smithsonian.comauthor Colin Schultz, who wrote, "these findings don't necessarily disprove all the stories of the Bible. Rather, knowing that there are camels where there definitely shouldn't be shows that the Bible's authors, working thousands of years after the events they were describing were supposed to take place, took a modern lens to these ancient tales."

whatcha think?

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History of Everything & Stuff by Doug Checketts

by blondie in

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eve says, "this is .

" so eve eateth of the tree.

so adam eateth of the tree, also.. and he blamed eve for everything.

Jon Preston

Fantastic!

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Hmm The Apostate?

by Jon Preston in

i was thinking about the term apostate and decided to search it i. the glorious "revised revised revision of the nwt" and found interesting things.

first it only appears twice.

in proverbs 11:9 .

Jon Preston

ah cheers thanks!

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Hmm The Apostate?

by Jon Preston in

i was thinking about the term apostate and decided to search it i. the glorious "revised revised revision of the nwt" and found interesting things.

first it only appears twice.

in proverbs 11:9 .

Jon Preston

Although they conveniently provide no interlinear or assistance for translating any of the OT......

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Hmm The Apostate?

by Jon Preston in

i was thinking about the term apostate and decided to search it i. the glorious "revised revised revision of the nwt" and found interesting things.

first it only appears twice.

in proverbs 11:9 .

Jon Preston

I was thinking about the term apostate and decided to search it i. The glorious "revised revised revision of the NWT" and found interesting things. First it only appears twice. In proverbs 11:9

New World Translation Pr 11:9 By his mouth the apostate brings his neighbor to ruin, But by knowledge the righteous are rescued.

Reference Bible Pr 11:9 By [his] mouth the one who is an apostate brings his fellowman to ruin, but by knowledge are the righteous rescued.

Kingdom Interlinear The selected verse is not present in this Bible. Hmmmmm i wonder why

Byington Pr 11:9 By an ungodly man’s mouth his neighbor is ruined, but by knowledge honest men are rescued. American Standard Version Pr 11:9 With his mouth the godless man destroyeth his neighbor; But through knowledge shall the righteous be delivered.

King James Version Pr 11:9 An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

notice anything interesting?

Waaaait waaait how about

New World Translation Isa 10:6 I will send him against an apostate nation, Against the people who infuriated me; I will command him to take much spoil and much plunder And to trample them like mud in the streets.

Reference Bible Isa 10:6 Against an apostate nation I shall send him, and against the people of my fury I shall issue a command to him, to take much spoil and to take much plunder and to make it a trampling place like the clay of the streets.

Kingdom Interlinear The selected verse is not present in this Bible. Hmmmmmmm again?!?!

Byington Isa 10:6 I send him upon an irreligious nation and commission him against the people of my wrath to carry off booty and lift plunder and reduce them to a trampled mass like street clay.

merican Standard Version Isa 10:6 I will send him against a profane nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

King James Version Isa 10:6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.

so as u can see the two ways the. WT uses apostate in their Bible is NOT accurate nor consistent with all other bibles not associated with them....ANDthey conveniently do not provide the linear for these verses.....whoops.

JP

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Jon Preston

I have a feeling this topic will come up sooner rather than later since neither me nor my wife have filled out our blood cards ;-)

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Jon Preston

Excellent i believe im going to use this on my wife. Thanks cofty